In a nation awash with health scams that pitch themselves as natural alternatives to medicine, it’s less common to find scams that position themselves as “medical”.
Even further apart are the medical tricks that prey upon vulnerable members of the public, such as Dr. Death Sartori. Or those that position themselves in a predatory manner, ready to strike when average Aussies suddenly find themselves vulnerable and in unfamiliar territory.
This definition easily applies to the one third of Aussie men aged over 50 who deal with sexual dysfunction or erectile dysfunction every year.
Enter Advanced Medical Institute whose defence against The Australian Competition and Consumer Commission for “false and misleading” conduct goes back at least to 2003. The man behind the scam is Soviet Era trained doctor, Ukrainian Jack Vaisman, unregistered in Australia. He apparently also earned a PhD from the USA which enables his title as “Doctor” to get a misleading airing.
Another company he earlier owned, On Clinic led Professor David Handelsman head of andrology at Concord Hospital’s ANZAC Research Institute to remark under oath in 2009:
I’ve got to say, one of the most scarifying experiences as a medical practitioner I’ve had [was] seeing just how low quality this sort of medical care can be,” he said. ”It really shouldn’t occur in Australia in the 21st century … It goes back to a pre-thalidomide type of regulatory standards.
Professor Handelsman was referring to his mid 1990’s encounter with Vaisman. At that time Professor Handelsman was sitting on a Health Care Complaints Commission inquiry into On Clinic, called by the NSW Government. In 1996 the company pleaded guilty to charges of illegally importing individual constituents of Vaisman’s penile injection concoction. Each component was unregistered with the TGA, mixed in unregulated conditions then provided to patients with a syringe and instructions.
In March 2003 another company Vaisman (below) had acquired, Australian Momentum Health Pty Ltd, was convicted of supplying unregistered therapeutic goods. Even before AMI kicked off the last person Aussies needed dealing with male sexual dysfunction was Jack Vaisman.
Advanced Medical Institute gamble on blokes being too embarrassed to seek recompense for ineffective and outrageously priced off label use of dangerous or common and cheap medications. These are sold under long term contracts costing thousands of dollars in a practice described in 2009 as “pernicious, nasty and unethical”.
Of serious concern also is that erectile dysfunction may be an indicator of diabetes, kidney dysfunction, drug interaction, neuroses, neurological disorders, blood pressure irregularities or cardiovascular disease, prostate problems, penile conditions and other chronic conditions.
By hitting below the belt as it were with the famous “Longer Lasting Sex” advertisements, Vaisman was both targetting a symptom in older men and appealing to vanity or anxiety in younger men. A phone call was all it took.
Clearly, as the most cursory checkup – for example taking BP or physical examination – cannot take place over the phone, patient health wasn’t, and still isn’t part of the deal. This practice of “consulting”, diagnosing and prescribing medication ensuring locked in contracts over the phone at break neck, Gish Galloping speed, was the subject of a House of Representatives Standing Committee on Health and Ageing on August 25th, 2009. The litany of bogus science, cruel treatment and vile scheming is as extensive as the witnesses are impressive.
A lively exchange took place the next day between 2UE’s Mike Carlton, self appointed director of the deceptively named Australian Centre for Sexual Health, Richard Doyle and Jack Vaisman. An AMI shareholder Doyle (who also acted as Vaisman’s legal defence) is close to hilarious, suggesting everyone else is stupid for not keeping up with the latest science, including a remarkable study (not cited) showing that a phone call is superior to an actual consultation. Vaisman himself must be remembering a different inquiry.
You may grab the short MP3 here or listen below:
Ian Turpie admitted in 2006 he had lied about AMI “advanced technology” nasal spray. Vaisman had raged “Who gives a f**k?”, when AMI’s General Manager had asked if the advertisement was indeed a sham. The spray contains apomorphine, a drug used to treat Parkinson’s disease, and has been shown a dismal alternative to traditional solutions such as Viagra. AMI or it’s doctors did not advise clients of the superior alternatives.
Apomorphine is deemed ineffective by over 70% of doctors and it’s use for erectile dysfunction has been largely discontinued. In fact in cases that AMI would attract it is contraindicated. It’s mode of action works by increasing desire – not improving erectile function. In any case it is not worth thousands of dollars.
Vaisman was getting away with breaching TGA laws that render his spray a second-line therapy only if commercial alternatives are not available. Still, TGA impotency is hard to miss over the 20 or so years Vaisman has scammed Aussies. His “compounded products/prescriptions” came under TGA regulations that have exempted him from having to run any clinical trials.
Kelly Burke wrote in November 2009 following the report released by the Standing Committee on Health and Ageing:
By AMI’s figures, about 15 million nasal sprays, lozenges and sundry potions have been sold to the gullible and desperate over a decade. Yet not a single one has been subject to the administration’s quality control and safety requirements.
Vaisman has been permitted to exploit a regulation that allows doctors to prescribe individually tailored medications for patients for whom no alternative effective treatment is commercially available. […]
The vague wording of the National Policy for Technology-based Patient Consultations also needs to be tightened. […]
Close the Therapeutic Goods Administration loophole and tighten the telemedicine regulations as proposed in the report, and Australians will be able to wave goodbye to the screaming billboards, excruciating radio ads and tacky late-night television campaigns. And Jack Vaisman will be out of business.
By 2010 the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) had taken an new interest, raiding Vaisman’s offices in February. In December 2010 the same day the ACCC began legal proceedings against AMI, Vaisman placed the company into voluntary administration. The ACCC had launched proceedings against Vaisman, Advanced Medical Institute Pty Ltd, AMI Australia Holdings Pty Ltd, and two doctors.
On June 9th, 2011 The Brisbane Times reported:
The Australian Competition and Consumer Commission has started fresh proceedings in the Federal Court alleging that the company, famous for its billboards and radio advertisements promoting ”longer-lasting sex”, has failed to inform its customers that it is insolvent, and may not be able to provide medication for which some of them paid thousands of dollars.
AMI had continued trading since the time it went into voluntary administration. In a shifty move the business was sold to NRM Corporation Pty Ltd and NRM Trading Pty Ltd [collectively NRM], and very shortly after went into voluntary liquidation. NRM continues to conduct the AMI business.
The Australian Consumer Law (Schedule 2 of the Competition and Consumer Act 2010) had Unfair Contract Terms provision added in July 2010. This has allowed the ACCC to pursue a case against AMI for alleged unconscionable conduct. This is a significant move in consumer protection.
Nasty, deplorable, pernicious, predatory and coercive were the terms used during the House of Representatives Standing Committee inquiry into Vaisman’s conduct. His abuse of clients from 17 to 87 years of age is despicable. Unconscionable Conduct sounds about right.
The ACCC reported on it’s website last September that the Federal Court had granted orders to add NRM as respondents in the ACCC case against the AMI for unconscionable conduct and granted leave for the ACCC to pursue action “against the AMI companies in liquidation”:
The ACCC alleges that AMI engaged in unconscionable conduct in breach of the Trade Practices Act 1974 and NRM is engaging in or proposing to engage in unconscionable conduct in breach of the Competition and Consumer Act 2010. The ACCC also alleges that Dr Lonergan was knowingly concerned in AMI’s conduct and Mr Vaisman being a former director of AMI and a current director of NRM was and is knowingly concerned in the conduct of those respondents.
The ACCC further alleges that NRM is in breach of the Australian Consumer Law by entering into long-term agreements for the treatment of male sexual dysfunction which contain unfair contract terms in relation to the termination of a contract.
Incredibly, so it came to pass. Under Vaisman’s shady direction NRM took “control” of AMI and continued to lure customers into unconscionable long term non efficacious rip off contracts with zero regard for consumer health.
You may have noticed the shift from Sniff and Stiff the piano playing penises on late night TV to the Genie who magically cranks up libido using a strip on the tongue. As noted by genuine experts in 2009, these advertisements are “destructive… a carefully constructed legal fiction.”
UPDATE: On April 22nd 2015 the ACCC reported that the Federal Court found Advanced Medical Institute had engaged in unconscionable conduct. The media release (MR 63/15) reads in part:
In his judgment, Justice North said “It is immoral to seek to harness the fears and anxieties of men suffering from ED [erectile dysfunction] or PE [premature ejaculation] for the purpose of selling medical treatments. To target the patient’s vulnerability in this way is to use an unfair tactic and that is a possible marker of unconscionable conduct”.
Justice North also stated “The technique of frightening men by telling them of the dire adverse consequences of not agreeing to treatment and assuring them that the treatment was effective was part of the business system of AMI and NRM. It was formulated by management and imparted in an organised fashion through scripts and training sessions.”
His Honour also found that NRM further breached the Australian Consumer Law by entering into long-term agreements for the treatment which contained unfair contract terms in relation to the termination of a contract.
The Court declared that the conduct of the respondents was unconscionable and made orders:
- requiring that NRM compensate a number of the patients whose evidence was considered by the Court
- permanently restraining NRM from:
- making agreements with a patient or in respect of the supply of medications for the treatment of male sexual dysfunction unless the patient has a consultation with a qualified medical practitioner
- making any statement about the efficacy of NRM treatments or the patient’s need for those treatments unless that statement is made by a qualified medical practitioner
- making an agreement with a patient for the supply of medications or medical services for the treatment of male sexual dysfunction without providing a written statement of the terms of the agreement and termination rights;
- making an agreement with a patient for the supply of medications or medical services for the treatment of male sexual dysfunction unless that agreement has a cooling off period and can be terminated by giving 14 days’ notice.
- restraining Mr Vaisman from continuing his main role in the business of NRM which was involved in the unconscionable conduct for a period of seven years
- requiring corrective advertising.
- For further enquiries contact the Media Team on 1300 138 917
END UPDATE
It also emerged in a January 2011 article in The Age Business section, that a “silent partner” in this failed venture is behind Astarra Strategic Fund, which resulted in Australia’s largest superannuation theft. In fact the “partner” is a network of “dodgy brokers” headed up by John Flader the supposed master swindler of the Astarra theft.
Meanwhile the AMI swindle rolls on. The last notable action involving AMI was a directions hearing in Melbourne in October 2011. A feature of the pre NRM AMI if you will, was the inability for customers to cancel their contract until they’d tried every single treatment AMI could dream up. Whilst boasting high success and ensuring that every unsatisfied customer received a full refund, the reality was virtual theft from customer bank accounts.
The only way to stop AMI withdrawing money from an account is to have the account closed and another opened with new details.
Recently AMI wheeled out a Debt Collection department. Their job is to chase up clients who still “owed money” on the futile contracts before AMI went into voluntary liquidation. The problem here is any liabilities accrued by AMI then become those of the liquidator. Not AMI and certainly not NRM.
Despite “NRM Corporation Trading As AMI” actually not being liable for any so-called contract debts the threats to “go legal” and destroy any non-compliant customer credit ratings is standard. For 15% of the outrageous contract total NRM will allow clients off the hook. But only if clients bring up the possibility first, or happen to laugh heartily down the phone at NRM’s new take on post liquidation liability. They will not inform customers who don’t raise dissent. From the ACCC site:
NRM patients are required to provide 30 days’ written notice to NRM to terminate the contract and must also pay a number of fees including a fixed administrative fee of 15 per cent of the original contract price. The ACCC alleges that each of the fees had the effect of penalising a consumer who gave notice of termination and therefore causing a significant imbalance in the parties’ rights under the contract.
There are cases where clients – who are in fact patients – eventually consult their GP and then a urologist, cardiologist, oncologist or another specialist. Information is passed to AMI specifically stating they can do nothing to improve the condition. Indeed many “treatments” are dangerous and have exacerbated serious medical problems for months. AMI go through the motions of ensuring a refund for expenses paid. They have been known to then debit bank accounts to the tune of the total contract cost.
Of course, there is no written contract that clients sign outlining any of these eventualities. The famed refunds are a scam from day one because they do not exist. There simply is no document wherein lies any customer contract. Clients should remember this in the event of AMI Debt Collectors calling to terrify. You are thus still waiting on the official contract.
If clients have been clever enough to realise the scam and ditch their bank account AMI Debt collection ring to intimidate, threaten and bully. To “go legal” as they say. Exactly what ageing, ill and often pension dependent patients need.
At this point getting consumer and legal advice, alerting and perhaps lodging a complaint with the ACCC and making some well advised choices about taking that 15% option is in order. After you’re certain that they can effect your credit rating. Remember that AMI are engaged in unconscionable conduct, and NRM intentionally set out to engage in unconscionable conduct.
There is no evidence the so-called Debt Collection isn’t another scam, and it alone is unconscionable conduct by extension. The ACCC will confirm this. As I note above, any debt AMI accrued pre June 2011 is not legally theirs to recover. With luck they will soon be shut down and prosecuted. If contacted clients should not hesitate to summarise this ACCC entry.
Medications sold via their contracts include SSRI’s like fluoxetine (Prozac), paroxetine (Aropax or Paxil), escitalopram (Lexapro), sertraline (Zoloft) etc. These were introduced over the late 1970’s – 1980’s with Lexapro introduced some years later.
AMI also favour old style tricyclic antidepressants such as Clonipramine. This cutting edge technology has been around since the 1950’s with clonipramine added to common tricyclic antidepressants in the 1960’s. The pain killer Tramadol is another.
Their super advanced Path Breaking Research and Development also includes, as mentioned, the Parkinson’s drug apomorphine via lozenge, nasal spray or tongue strip. Apomorphine has been around since the 1940’s.
Why these drugs? SSRI’s and tricyclic antidepressants have a side effect in prolonging time to ejaculation. This effect may persist or may be prove to be transient. Remembering the conditions they are prescribed for, and the side effects they already carry I’ll leave you to consider the value of such off-label use.
The shocking aspect here is rather than pay $250.00 per month and be locked in for two years patients could consult their GP and pay around AU $20.00 per month. For those on a pension or any benefit it’s $5.80 per month. No contracts, no threats and no gambling with side effects.
It gets worse. Men have been scammed into a $3,000 contract and bullied into payment long after the penny dropped, only to report they were already on an SSRI reaping any potential benefit of “lasting longer”. In these cases they need not have spent a cent.
A major drawback with SSRI and tricyclic medications is the interaction with some migraine specific medications or even pain killers such as Tramadol. Serotonin Syndrome can be a serious and potentially life threatening reaction to using two or more of these drugs.
A major cause of premature ejaculation is fast neurological response time in pelvic muscles. Guys can even save that $20.00 per month and learn pelvic floor exercises known as Kegel Exercises. Searching for those key words will provide millions of hits. In cases of erectile dysfunction consult your GP to be sure it’s not a more serious problem.
In conclusion do keep in mind that Advanced Medical Institute is neither “advanced” or an “institute”. It’s a scam run by professional parasitic predators who pressure vulnerable, ill and everyday Australian men out of their money. They can offer nothing to improve sexual health – quite the opposite.
In researching for this post I was appalled, infuriated and disgusted by the tactics creatures such as Vaisman use to scheme struggling Aussies who conduct themselves with dignity, strength and poise. To be unwell is one thing, to make a less than ideal decision and be scammed is another. Yet to navigate the resultant quandary with optimism and humour takes a trait I hope I have, somewhere deep inside.
One hopes the ACCC get to use the unconscionable conduct laws with gusto.
- ACCC resources. Keywords – “Advanced Medical Institute”
http://www.accc.gov.au/search/accc-funnelback/Advanced%20Medical%20Institute
Losing In The Lucky Country 
Well written !
Did your Research include the branch /SUBSIDIARY of the company in the UK who are now called Instant Clinic based at no 10 Harley Street ,headed by Dr Michael Spira who was also the Director of AMIUK?
DID IT ALSO INCLUDE THE LAWSUIT AND LOSSES FACED BY UK RESIDENTS AND that AMIUK was investigated by Westminster Council as well as the fact that Dr M.Spira was reported for his conduct/involvement to the General Medical Council -London, who did not investigate the matter.
Any idea of how one can still enforce an Order on a Company in Australia (AMI) AFTER it has changed name AND LIQUIDATED.
Cheers.
To answer your queries, research was focused on the AMI rip offs and the latter scheme by NRM to “collect debts” which is quite likely a scam in itself.
I’d imagine enforcing orders on directors of companies may be difficult in those circumstances. The best advice would be to contact consumer and competition watchdogs to see if there is an option in place.
It’s clearly run by professional con artists who lay the groundwork for covering themselves in advance.
All the best.
This comment is factually incorrect. Instant Clinic is not connected to AMI in any way. Check your facts before ‘shouting’. Why would the owner involve AMI when that failed company owe him over $100,000. I do not support AMI but why are you so bitter when you profited from their business as much as anyone. You worked in Sydney before the UK – you knew the deal full well. Be honest with us and to yourself.
This Blog should have appeared after the first comment by Shekhina
It never ceases to maze me that no one mentions the OTHER culpable people involved long-term in this scam such as the Dr’s who turned a “blind” eye because they were well paid both in Australia and the UK .
The people such as the accountants ,the sales staff and most especially those in “leadership”of influential positions who also hid and still hide behind Jack Vaisman to perpetrate these thefts /deeds and cause distress to others .
To name but a few -the Admin.Director &Accountants -Dilip Shreshka,Tony Khan ,Devora Samuels,Peter Riley ,Dr Micheal Spira ..all these people were aware but denied moral liability as they had bills & mortgages .
I wonder if their families are proud of their conduct…These people ARE ENABLERS…they actively or passively enabled /allowed /permitted these perpetrations on patients and their resultant impact on their health and their families and family life .
I see the ACCC are interested in Lonergan, but you make a fair point.
Nonetheless, I see the complicit doctors as a separate topic to the abuses of consumer law and trade practice as covered here.
What is wrong with judicial systems in Australia the UK and the USA when they cannot pin down and punish a bunch of con men who have such an obvious track record in cheating and defrauding the public? These rats should spend the rest of their useless lives in jail. I was conned into buying shares in one of Vaisman’s companies which turned out to be worthless.His career should have ended before it even began.
Thanks for this article. I’m currently locuming till I start .GP training next year and my locum agency had an ad for drs to do phone consultations. Was initially interested as it would have been great to be able to work from home till I start training next year, but was concerned as soon as I found out it was AMI. I had heard some of their products weren’t very efficacious and was concerned about excluding underlying medical conditions over the phone but I didn’t realise how big a scam they were actually running. Thank you very much, there is no way I would ever associate with a company like this.
Good on you Amy .
For some the temptation of the “perks” of the job far outway the reason they became Dr’s .
Sadly,AMI continues to thrive, buoyed along by a Justice system that has it’s “hands tied ” because of loopholes in the system.
Meanwhile the unemployed woman or man who appropriated a chicken to feed his family and has no legal representation ,is incarcerated for 3-6mths for theft .
Glad you found it helpful Amy.
I had an interview with them today and after reading this and other info will not work for them.
Here’s one that I’m sure didn’t come out in any reports. Dr Lonergan worked in South Africa, said he work for the Police there as well and has a photo of a shooting trip. He hunted people. Two black dead africans with his foot and rifle resting on their heads, don’t ask me what year he looked young in the photo, it wasn’t any computer generation by any stretch of the imagination,looked realistic and he was proud he had shot them, very white supremist racist, maybe someone can get him for crimes against humanity. I believe he was on medication for skitzo personality, not his fault as this is a serious illness. He is not stupid just very unstable and maybe not suitable to hold any medical license. Another former doctor Barahmi was not allowed to see female patients apparently because of inappropriate medical fondling so found a good job where he didn’t have to see any clients just prescribe meds over the phone. Dr Jack used to employ various relatives and other Jewish people that he had family ties with from the former USSR and Israel. It was a very lucrative life for the doctors they used to run tally sheets to pay doctors. They were very focused on sales and commissions.
Hello
Tony the accountant
Good to here from you matey.
Are you the same accountant that assisted Jack in his perpetrations of the vulnerable public ?
or the same person that knew and allowed all these Dr ‘s to work in the company knowing all of this ?
or the same person that knew and encouraged theft by the sales consultants to build the company as this increased your profit and improved your bank balance ?
Sale Consultants ..more like CON artists who should receive awards specifically LYNN & MICHEAL LAWS ( her ignoramus hen-pecked husband )BOTH ‘HILL BILLIES” who made fortunes OFF THE PUBLIC USING AMI as their vehicle …
or allowed Debbie Samuels to lie and bully staff because it brought profits
or the one that slept with most of the sales staff in customer service because you were the’big boss’ and they wanted to save their jobs by sleeping with you ?
Are you the man with’short man syndrome ‘?
I am curious as to why you feel the need to write about the Dr’s now …they made money for you , you also supported Dilip Shreshtha, the accountant from Nepal…who had very long fingers as well…
What happened …did they …k you off?
Too bad …welcome and hope you learnt from it .
Wondering if we will be hearing from Dr.Micheal Spira (new wife ..or is it a new affair ..new diet ..?? ) and Director Peter Riley (son’s doing well in the band ?)who perhaps have felt some remorse or had at least told their family what heartache and stress they perpetrated and ..managed to get away with .
An EPIPHANY!!!
Waiting ….Waiting …December 21 st 2012 …..a big day …a big day!!!
Its looks like all your conversation between each other saying that you are being involve in AMI business that is why you know so much about and talk so much about. You know every names of these people and family names. It is look like you are so angry because you been sitting next to the pie and can get only the scrams.
It is an old saying that if a thief steal something from a thief god give him his blessing.
Be happy and shut up
so what ever body is trying to say ami is a scam i just paid $1000 for 1 month and have to paid another $1900 in a couple of days should i cancil the payments or cancil my creadit card?or dose it work?
First you’ll need to report your credit card as stolen. The bank may not prevent withdrawals to AMI based on the account holder’s request/word/claim, or even proof of their unconscionable conduct as described by ACCC. The direct debits are a contract between you and AMI and they will simply keep withdrawing money. It’s a hassle but reporting your card as stolen is the only way to get your account details away from AMI.
They will likely write or ring insisting you recommence payment. My advice is to ring ACCC and Consumer Affairs both of whom are well aware of their nasty tactics. See your GP and have him/her fax a brief letter stating you no longer require any of their services. Keep the fax transmission log or a copy of it. On April 22nd this year the Federal Court found Advanced Medical Institute engaged in unconscionable conduct.
http://www.accc.gov.au/media-release/federal-court-finds-advanced-medical-institute-engaged-in-unconscionable-conduct
It includes:
If they make threats about payments or insist on their infamous “termination fee” stress the final sentence above – which is part of the finding against AMI. Simply they’re in breach of Australian Consumer Law by beginning the contract with you and demanding a disproportionately large payment to terminate the contract.
Double check with ACCC about lodging your own complaint. Remember that AMI and NRM have both been found guilty.
can i get my money back in any way
Billy i see you like me are one of many victims conned by these thieving unscrupulous mongrels they are currently ripping me off and refusing to cancel my contract. the first dose put it on your tongue and press against the roof of your mouth , made me feel like i was going to die heart racing head pounding server breathing difficulties i was trying to work out how i was going to get to the hospital, Living in a remote area i was sure i was dead took a shower laid down and waited fortunately by morning it had passed and i was ok.
I rang them up and they told me most unusual but i would need the injection ( stick a needle in my Penis what the) no training just a picture info sheet on how to and a large auto injector as an antidote. an antidote how dangerous is this stuff i just wanted out but no they don’t let you out.
and guess what the injection after much in-trepidation did not work it had no effect all they do is keep delaying your exit from their program till its to late.
All these people who write here and say they know so much about these creeps come forward go public and give evidence against them clear your conscious and say the rest of the Australian public from being ripped off these people still call themselves AMI and are still ripping off the public.
Australians beware i was ripped off you may be ripped off as well.
Clearly this is a scam when they do everything within their power to take your money and not provide product, which according to the above info, is a rip-off anyway. My advice is to stay clear of AMI do deal with the grief that follows. If you do want to enter into an agreement, ask for a hard copy of a contract first. You won’t get one so you will avoid getting scammed. Trying to stop them taking payments is another issue again. I have asked and demanded they stop taking payments and as per the agreement over the phone, I have tried to cease the agreement to no avail, they are not prepared to listen. I’m just in the process of lodging a complaint with Fair Trading and am penning a complaint to Current Affair and Today Tonight. This info is not public enough to warn Australians of what they are getting themselves in for. Shame on any medical practitioner for getting involved just to get rich, you suck! If you have been ripped off or are in the process of being trapped in this ridiculous contract, speak out and say something. The more noise made the greater the chance they will go away.
I have been robbed by them not even treated which i refused to be treated as their samples did not agree but they had taken the full payment of $3900 from my account and are avoiding me when i call for my refund which is going on from last august
To Ami, I wish to end my consultations with you, I am very disappointed in how I have been treated and the response I have had trying to end this service, I have been told wrong information on signing up, I have been argued with over the phone and you medication made me ill. All in all I am sorry to have had anything to do with you and I would never recommend you to anyone.
Further more after my last call from your staff I was told all would be put on hold and still you try to take money off me, the person I dealt with was obtuse in this whole matter and ill in her manner, argumentative, I am disgusted in your business ethics and the way you treat your customers/patients.
End this contact now! I am emailing this as well as sending it via normal mail for the second time!. I would like a full refund of moneys paid and if this does not happen I will take this matter further.
WHAT A PACK OF BASTARDS!!!
Thnx guys for the input on ADVANCED MEDICAL INSTITUTE
They are a scammers but i am glad i only got ripped of with them for 2 months , but feel sorry for other men out there who signed up for 18 months , i just hope my bank will stop them 🙂 for extra chargers . I think ami should be shot dead now arghh